Re: [LUNI] ugh, netscape!!!

From: Jean-Michel Smith (jean@kcco.com)
Date: Mon Mar 05 2001 - 13:21:02 CST

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    On 5 Mar, Stephen Boulet wrote:
    > Jason Helfman wrote:
    >
    >> When will a competative browser that can hold a candle and then some up
    >> to netscape, be offered in Linux.
    >>
    >> Netscape is using 37.5 % of my cpu!!!
    >
    > This sometimes happens to me. If you kill it and restart it, it's back to a
    > more reasonable level, but I don't leave it running all the time for fear that
    > it gets into this cpu-hungry state.

    I have seen netscape crash X and hard hang the underlying Linux box on
    several occasions. More often it just hoses X and a remote login and
    "init 3" followed by an "init 5" will restore the GUI (perhaps
    accompanied by "kill -9 <netscape-pids>).

    I am generally not a KDE advocate (I'm a Gnome user, personally) but
    their browser, konqueror, really is IMHO the best web browser there is
    for Linux, bar none. Java works (with Sun or IBM's JRE), javascript
    works, netscape plugins work, SSL works (strong encryptions). In short,
    it does everything netscape does and then some, without the instability
    and propensity for crashing an otherwise rock solid system. I resent
    programs which make Linux behave like windows, and unfortunately
    Netscape is in that class of applications.

    >
    > Question: how much memory does mozilla use for you folks?

    I tried the nightly build a couple of weeks ago. Mozilla has come a
    long way and is looking better all the time, but it isn't quite there
    yet as a viable replacement for Netscape (at least not for me, but then
    I use konqueror, and formerly used netscape, to do everything from
    casual browsing to on-line shopping, on-line banking, and even on-line
    trading). In a few months, once Mozilla is finished, we will have a
    plethora of very cool browsers to choose from (Galeon, Nautilus, Mozilla
    itself, etc. in addition to Konqueror and perhaps even a new version of
    Netscape), but if you're looking for something to replace netscape with
    right now konqueror is the only thing I've found to date that fits the
    bill. As a Gnome user I look forward to the day soon when that is no
    longer the case, and our choices are broadened.

    WRT memory and CPU usage:
    USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
    jean 16960 33.2 4.9 36548 25312 ttyp4 R 13:17 0:05 ./mozilla-bin
    jean 16962 0.1 4.9 36548 25312 ttyp4 S 13:17 0:00 ./mozilla-bin
    jean 16963 0.3 4.9 36548 25312 ttyp4 S 13:17 0:00 ./mozilla-bin
    and, for completeness:
    jean 16757 0.1 3.3 25416 17124 ? S 11:11 0:13 /usr/bin/konqueror

    Mozilla and konqueror are only displaying one visible window for
    browsing, and both are displaying my homepage (which includes a cheesy
    java applet displaying a "metric clock" to test their java
    capabilities).

    hope this helps,

    Jean.

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